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Why we don't need laws against "aliens," only laws against CRIMINALS.

I think some of the Minutemen may have the best possible intentions. They want to eliminate problems they associate with immigration. But they are mixed up -- they have the whole thing backwards. And they will find that none of the "solutions" they have entertained so far ("light up the border!","call out the troops!","lock up the immigrants!" etc) are liable to be of any use. These "solutions" have been advocated and implemented for years, so far without any benefit to society. So, what would be a better approach?

We don't need laws against "aliens." "Aliens" are just foreigners. Foreigners don't cause problems by virtue of the mere fact that they happen to be foreign. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist and a fool. But Minutemen don't say this. All they say is, "We have no problem with foreigners, only with people who BREAK THE LAW."

OK, fair ENOUGH. Let's examine that one.

If the law were suddenly changed to stop criminalizing people who merely exercise the right to travel freely, regardless of their national origins, would they no longer object to "illegal aliens"? Logically, they'd no longer be committing a crime, so that would solve the problem, would it not?

Aha! But I'm sure a Minuteman will point out: "What about the PROBLEMS caused by those foreigners? It is not the mere fact that they crossed some imaginary line that is problematic, it is their behavior afterwards that presents problems."

Very well. So let's focus on THAT. Anyone who commits crimes that harm others -- whether they were born here or elsewhere -- must be penalized. No doubt about it. But merely crossing some line drawn by the government on a map, by itself, is not enough to prove any harm to others. So why would we want to enforce a law against VICTIMLESS crimes? A VICTIMLESS CRIME is PURE NONSENSE, only an invitation and excuse for GOVERNMENT TYRANNY. I'm sure the Minutemen can't be in favor of THAT??

Ok, but what about the wellbeing of workers and citizens who were born here? Won't they be adversely affected by competition from workers who come here from abroad? What if those immigrants draw social benefits that they are not eligible for by laws of residency? Won't that threaten the benefits of those who ARE eligible?

Maybe so. In that case, we can have laws that effectively deal with those problems. Now, consider the first problem, workers facing competition from foreign workers. Which approach do you think is more likely to be simple, cheap, and effective:

A)
build desert internment camps to lock up and feed a handful of corporate CEOs and rich politicians who hire undocumented workers, and let them cool their heels there while they await trial for exploiting cheap foreign labor illegally

OR

B)
try to hunt down and arrest millions of workers without documents for working "illegally"?

It's pretty obvious that solution A is the way to go if you're worried about the wellbeing of working class Americans. Once again, immigration laws are worse than useless.

But what about people who illegally draw benefits they are ineligible for? Well, there are laws against that sort of thing. Let's enforce 'em. But not by rounding up people who haven't even violated those laws yet! (ie,
exactly what immigration laws do).

So, if immigration laws are so ineffective for anything like these very sensible and laudable concerns, why do we have 'em? Could it be that immigration laws are VERY EFFECTIVE, but just NOT for the purposes they purport to serve (eg, stopping "criminals" and "terrorists," or protecting American workers), but something else entirely? And what would that be? Who do you suppose is really benefitting from these laws?



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tedious

23.07.2005 17:36


yeah lets bring this situation a little closer to home, its silly to say that we are protecting the borders from terrorists or criminals but think also of what this country would be with everyone from mexico, or lets really think out of the box since everyone thinks this is such a racial thing, canada..who wants such a poor quality of life I dont want this place to look like tj what about you? Yeah I think alot of people make money off things thats why I believe marijuana is not legal either but listen you put too many people on a boat and its gonna sink.. all this rally against the minutemen could be put to use in rally against the mexican government cause thats where all the problems are..I'm suprised no one from the minutemen has sued for harassment yet..I wish I had my degree I'd help them pursue it. But they seem to be of a far more peacful nature with weapons because guess what there are alot of "bad guys" that stand to lose alot if we close the border.

cassie a



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23.07.2005 18:14


haha, yea canada has such a poor quality of life...its why americans were rushing over there during the flu season last year to get there free shots using canadas universal healthcare...yea

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The President of Mexico...

23.07.2005 19:16


... is the ex-CEO of Coca Cola-Mexico.

spell it out...



Use LOGIC, Cassie. Not ignorance.

23.07.2005 19:53


Cassie: No, I don't want San Diego to "look like" Tijuana, with the same ugly sprawl, faulty level of public services, and wretched poverty. But if it ends up happening, it won't be because of "Mexicans." It will be because of the rich white guys that run the show -- on both sides of the border.

Actually, I WOULDN'T mind it if San Diego looked more like, say, the city of Oaxaca. There are a lot of charming smaller cities and towns in Mexico that are vastly more attractive places than San Diego. Tijuana is a particularly invidious and unfair example to use -- artificially unfavorable -- of a big Mexican city that's a mess. But you should also ask "Why is it a mess?" Your implicit answer, "Cause it's full of Mexicans," is ignorant nonsense.

Tijuana is a mess because it's full of big business interests that have started maquilas where they can employ people at starvation wages without getting taxed and having to foot the bill for the kinds of public services most Americans take for granted. They can pollute the air and water, abuse the workers, and never pay taxes, policies that all hurt ordinary Mexicans. (Maybe you're thinking, "Gee whiz, sounds a lot like the Republican Party!" Uh-huh. That wouldn't be a total coincidence, either. The Party of Big Business rules not just in the US. Remember what I said about the current Mexican president Vicente Fox's former gig. Look it up if you don't believe me.)

me



healthcare

24.07.2005 00:46


Undocumented migrants pay taxes; they should receive services for those taxes. Laws preventing them are unjust and should not only start being disobeyed and should also be removed from the books. I disagree that those laws should be enforced. They are enforced now. Plus, migrants are often too afraid of being deported to use any services.

Barontone



Re: healthcare

24.07.2005 02:39


You are an advanced thinker, Barontone! Perhaps the eligibility requirements should be changed. Afterall, "no taxation without representation" were the watchwords of the American revolution!

me



Why the focus on Fox?

24.07.2005 14:34


It's interesting how there's so much focus on Vicente Fox as if he were the only person to blame for every possible problem we could think of. I mean, I have no sympathy for him. But to put all the blame on a president seems to be a bit of an iversimplification of the issues. Can we blame Bush for American capitalism? Or for US imperialism?

An another thing, I think we are pretty fortunate that people from Mexico are coming to the States. Not only are they maintaining this economy running, but their contributions to our everyday life, in terms of culture, music, and society are a blessing for everyone.

But let's be honest here. Mexican people would not come to the US if the Mexican economy allowed people to provide for their families. This is a forced migration being impossed by Wall Street and Washington DC. But nobody would leave a country like Mexico to come to a place like the US if they weren't forced to do so.

Why do you think there are so many US immigrants in Mexico? They number over a million.


Soprano



CEOs come and go. Class struggle remains.

24.07.2005 15:07


The point is, Vicente is the current CEO (er, "President") of Mexico. After his sexenio, they will have a new one. The fact that his original gig was CEO of Coca Cola is the main thing. Just like the fact that the last one, Zedillo's, alma mater was Oxford, where he was school buddies with Clinton. (The striking UNAM students had a great marching chant: "Clinton, Zedillo, un solo calzoncillo!", (roughly translated, "Clinton, Zedillo, they wear the same underwear" -- ie, "all the same shit')) Again and again, the point is not to make a big deal about any of these particular personalities, but only to recognize that the ruling class is united across borders: They know the true meaning of solidarity! The working class had better learn from them, and catch up quick: Workers of the world, UNITE!

me





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