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(no)Border between TJ/SD - Las Playas
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onto | 23.07.2005 17:50
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A press conference concerning Gente Unida, the Minutemen, and the Buenas Noches Brigaes was held at Las Playas on Thursday at Noon in Tijuana right by the border fence. Strangely enough, the border fence is being torn down right there . . . only to put up a bigger, stronger one (circa Germany's Berlin Wall).
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Press conference with Enrique Morones
Broken Fence
Borders are Enforced Ideological fictions . . .
How do you delete a border that does not exist?
This border defines human legality, as it crumbles apart.
Caution: Constructing Reality, Producing Nationalism
Holes, Gaps, Breaks, Scars, Cuts - nature shows her side
Water as Migrant - the ocean rips the border apart everyday
All Fences break; all walls fall.
Both "Sides" - war by architecture
Jugglers against Borders
Between nations - only jugglers, cars, and cops
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I talked to one of the federal construction workers. He said to me, "Do you really want to delete the border? This border helps catch and block hundreds of thousands of people every year?"
"Why?" I say.
"Because it's illegal to cross here"
"Why?"
"Because that the law."
"Why?"
"Because we're overpopulated."
"No we're not. We have some of the largest uninhabited land masses from any country in the world."
( http://www.mindszenty.org/report/1999/April99.html - http://www.ncpa.org/pd/pdint21.html)
"Well, they're - - "
"Hey, get over here" - his commanding officer says.
We leave. Unfinished. Between countries.
(He walks away saying "I'm not supposed to be talking to people on that side." - "Why not?" - "Because")
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great narrations
elizabeth from i.e.
Thanks for posting this article
Bob Alba
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Laws are put into place for a reason. Our country has a right to know who is entering. Whether it is a mexican, an El Salvadoran, A terrorist, a drug pusher a murderer, a child molester, or just a farm worker. Presidente Fox wants an open border for his people to enter as they please yet his own country is closing its border on hondurans, El Salvadoran, Brazilians etc. and they are treated without regard for human dignity. Thet routinely beat, rob and steal from illegal migrants on their way to the U.S. and sometimes worse. Mexico is full of natural resources and it has a lot of tourism and alot to offer, why then is thier biggest export its people, whuy not stay and build up their own country. If this country is so racist and treats its people so badly why would they want to come here if the government and its people seem so evil to you. Freedom. freedom of speech, freedom of life and not to live in fear. Plus we do not need to be populating these areas we have as open spaces like you want to. Shouldn't we also be protecting our environment, more people means more housing more facotries to produce goods more trees cut down more polution. I say we limit the number of incoming people, because we will invariable produce our own offspring to take up room. lets not help it along.
bob
"Laws are put into place for a reason."
Not are laws are just. Not all laws are moral. Not all laws help those in need. Laws are not made in a vacuum, they are made within historical condition by certain individuals and institutions which are constrained by bureaucratic measures, injust officials, biased accounts, etc. Laws are changed everyday, turned over, rejected, ignored. No, laws were NOT put into place for A reason; they are put into place for many, many differing reasons, irreducible to one meaning, moral or point.
"Our country has a right to know who is entering. Whether it is a mexican, an El Salvadoran, A terrorist, a drug pusher a murderer, a child molester, or just a farm worker."
This exudes the closet racism of your post. Of all the 4 types of immigrants you name, 4 out of 5 are terrorists, drug pushers, murderers, or child molesters. Only one choice is a farm worker. Any statistical analysis of migration in this country will tell you that the overwhelming majority of immigrants are day laborers. Child Molesters, Murders, etc., are DOMESTICALLY born, DOMESTICALLY raised, and DOMESTICALLY distributed. Please stop scapegoating these people.
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=1047
"Presidente Fox wants an open border for his people to enter as they please yet his own country is closing its border on hondurans, El Salvadoran, Brazilians etc. and they are treated without regard for human dignity. Thet routinely beat, rob and steal from illegal migrants on their way to the U.S. and sometimes worse."
Wow, sounds like our United States doesn't it? We are free to roam in every country in the world without question, but when someone wants to come to here, it takes an incredible amount of money (sometimes over $500), a lengthy visa process (sometimes 3 years), and a usual rejection. And yet, Americans enter and exit no questions asked. Fair?
"Mexico is full of natural resources and it has a lot of tourism and alot to offer, why then is thier biggest export its people, whuy not stay and build up their own country."
What? Mexico has over 90 million people inside it with development projects in every corner of the country, usually in SPITE of the neoliberal governments exploiting its people.
"If this country is so racist and treats its people so badly why would they want to come here if the government and its people seem so evil to you."
Work; to reconnent with their family who lives on both sides; and pop music.
"Freedom. freedom of speech, freedom of life and not to live in fear."
"Plus we do not need to be populating these areas we have as open spaces like you want to. Shouldn't we also be protecting our environment, more people means more housing more facotries to produce goods more trees cut down more polution."
Are you really making an environmental argument FOR the border? It has been proven to be one the worst environmental degradation of this planet. Please read any annual report by the Environmental Health Coalition about the environmental tragedy the border has caused -
http://www.environmentalhealth.org/BorderToxics.pdf
http://www.environmentalhealth.org/globalizationFINALRELEASED.10.18.04.pdf
http://organiccollective.org/Border%20Enforcement%20Case%20Study%20Feb2005.pdf
If you to stop pollution, THEN let's stop our addiction to FOSSIL FUELS! Once again, almost every scientist (not in the backpocket of EXXON or so) in the world agreed that Global Warming is a result of our man-made abuse of fossil fuels ( http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0123-01.htm)
"I say we limit the number of incoming people, because we will invariable produce our own offspring to take up room. lets not help it along."
Let's start by limiting the number of people who use more resources than our planet can handle. How can we determine this? Take the eco-footprint test! ( http://www.myfootprint.org/) ( If you're from the United States of America, you are automically disqualified from continuing life on this planet, due to the gross excess of resources you use in relation to the sustainability of the planet, sorry!)
Jacob
yeah, good idea. "we have some of the largest unpopulated land masses.." good one. i hate nature and fresh air anyways. just let all the illegal immigrants stay in national parks and cut down all the trees. hell, they can bathe in the streams and rivers, crap in the lakes. sounds good to me.
timothy
Ok, timothy. Please at least try to hide your closet xenophobia and internalized racism in your next comment. If its gonna come out this easily, then I'm gonna have to dismiss your future comments. Please. "crap in the lakes"? come on.
You are scapegoating migrants again for problems that are a)structural to capitalism (i.e., unlimiited destruction of nature for energy resources), and b)carried out by very specific corporations and government interests (Chevron, Shell, DOW, etc. . .) http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=183
Please don't scapegoat migrant people anymore. It was annoying; now its just trite and boring.
jews against scapegoating
Once all the good jobs gone and we are just as poor as Mexico the immigrants will not be any better off by moving here.
http://www.jimhightower.com/
Wednesday, July 27, 2005
"IBM'S PLANS FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS"
The internal memo is dated April 2005 and tagged: "IBM Confidential."
The reason for the hush-hush treatment is that this document is written confirmation of corporate America's intention to offshore our nation's middle-class future, shipping out the jobs in engineering, and other sciences that require advanced degrees and pay top wages. IBM, the world's largest information technology corporation, has become the leading practitioner of shopping the globe for the cheapest high-tech workers, knocking down the wage floor to the lowest common denominator.
Because of the wrenching economic, social, and political impacts this will have on U. S. society, IBM has not wanted to concede publically that undermining middle-class opportunities is a corporate goal. This leaked memo, however, confirms that while the top honchos are cutting 13,000 of these high-tech jobs in America and Europe this year, it will add 14, 000 in the low-wage tech centers of India.
Experienced software programmers in our country earn maybe $75,000 a year, creating a sound middle-class base for our economy and communities. But the hell with such democratic notions of the Common Good, say the profiteers–we can replace American programmers with ones from India who'll do the work for $15,000 a year. That's $60,000 per job, per year, that the corporate and investor elites can take out of the middle class and put in their own pockets.
Adding insult to injury, a top IBM executive says that the corporate rush to India is not merely a chase for the cheapest workers, but "It's mostly about skills." He then proceeds to lecture America's high-tech workers: "You are no longer competing just with the guy down the street, but also with people around the world."
This is Jim Hightower saying...And there you have a sparkling clear statement of what corporate America thinks of you and has in store for you. How do they think they'll hold a society together when they knock down all of our wages to $15,000 a year?
Sources: "Cutting Here, but Hiring Over There," New York Times, June 24, 2005
Copyright - Saddleburr Productions, Inc
steve
This whole issue at the border is horrible. I've spent a few nights down in Campo observing both sides of the show. The pritestors are putting forth ridiculous arguments. "One land, One people." "No border is legitimate."
Come on, honestly. Who believes that? First of all, the border is legitimate. The laws of both Mexico and The United States have said so. We don't overstep our bounds, neither do they. Their mpas draw the line where ours draw the line. Simple. Now, is the border around your home legitimate? Or can I climb into your home, use your t.v. set, lounge on your bed, eat your cereal, and do other things that bring me joy? No, and if I tried, you'd have the right, and probably the desire to stop me from doing it. Even if you were the most understanding of all people, the firmest believer in social good, you'd at the very least want to know who I was and what I was about. Just a microcosmic perspective.
Now, I'll give you this much. Some of the people on the ranks of the Minutemen are off the wall. Most, however, are respectable people who believe they are providing a service to their country. Some are veterans of the armed forces, and some, I admit, are looking for a cheap thrill. Most surveys say that the majority of the people in the United States support the Minutemen and projects like it. Geez, their are projects like the Minutemen popping up in every border state.
Now as far as the members of the protesting group, some of you are off the wall. You have punk rockers, faces covered as is often seen in poseur-anarchists; old fat guys (as you often refer to the minutmen); snobbish college folk, and some idiot guy who thinks he's a real paramedic, but refuses to accept that the idea that anybody can dress as a paramedica and drive a van and a suzuki rigged to look like ambulances is dangerous.
It's funny, somebody will make a comment to rebuttle my views and will immediately call me ignorant and racist. It's what your side of the argument usually does. Poke fun at people because they wear military fatigues, or because they have an American flag displayed on their truck; you tag them as racist.
A funny observation: a sign with the words "no border is legitimate." the words were written in the colors of the Mexican flag. The person was waving a Mexican flag. Do these people even know the agenda, or are they just anti-America? It's one thing to be some hippie and smoke pot and say, "I love all people," as naive as they may be. But, it seems almost racist, to wave the Mexican flag around, calling those that don't follow in that action racists, calling the minutemen a "bunch of honkies; yankees; gringos babosos; or whatever the phrase of the hour is. For god's sake, your argument is, "let whomever wants to come in in, because they're looking for a better life, and here they can have it." Isn't that the argument? what the hell does the Mexican flag have to do with it? If you think the US is corrupt, then Mexico is worse. As others have stated, Mexico could be one of the economically stronger nations in the world. They have the resources; they certainly have the people.
As far as those that come across. I work for the border patrol. My parents were Mexican born; my father legally immigrated here after two apprehensions for illegal entry. So, no, the usual government response is not to deny applications. And you are wrong. Not all that cross are law-abiding farm workers. Lots are criminals; the fact that over 80% of outstanding felony warrants issued in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens can show you that much. If you'd see the people we deal with on a daily basis, you'd understand: child molestors, child abusers; spouse abusers; rapists; murderers; junkies; drug smugglers; coyotes; notorious gang members; etc., etc.. And no, I'm not saying they are purely Mexicans. Iraqis, Kenyans, Ethipians, Russians, Mexicans, Guatemalans, Brazilians, El Salvadorans, Ecuadorians; you name it, and we've arrested it.
You must admit that at the very least, this country has a right to protect itself from a threat, foreign or domestic. We are a country, you must recognize that. If we lived in a utopian society where nobody had ill will, well then, maybe there'd be no need for countries and law. Be we don't, and we won't. We MUST know who enters this country. We must be able to have fingerprints and bio information on file for those who are here as guests. People, regardless of race and nationality, do not have a right to come and go as ghosts; come, work, commit a crime, either heinous or minute, and disappear, only to be a suspect file in some police investigator's drawer.
I'm not ingnorant. In my line of work, I have arrested and interview many good people. Some I'd trade for a US citizen any day. However, we must know who they are, and why they're here.
Domestic murders, rapists, junkies, and drug peddlers? yes, but unfortunately, our country's sotitution does not allow us to deport them; does not allow us to get rid of them. They are our problem, and we deal with them as we can. Those that are not home-born, well, adios. You f'd up your chance.
Now, you know I am of Mexican descendence. I am not a vendido, regardless of how bold and large your font may be when you type. I know my heritage; the struggle my parents have gone through. It is a culture thing for me. I love the culture I have been raised in. But that's just it. It is a culture that I have embraced; ideas, ideology, family, history, celebrations, food, language. But that doesn't change the fact that I am not Mexican born, but I am American born. Mexico has done nothing for me, nor for my parents. Would I try to reside in Mexico, similar laws as in the United States would prevent me from doing so.
One last thing. Those who wish that the Minutemen or I would be cat down for our views should watch what you wish for. The same freedom that allows the Minutemen to wave the American flag, patrol the border and speak out against illegal immigration is the same freedoms that allows the protesting bunch to wear mohawks, wave Mexican flags, and call us racists.
un migra
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