The Danger of the Christian Fascists
duko,

Revolutionary Worker #1275, April
24, 2005, posted at rwor.org


EDITORS' NOTE: This is part of a series of excerpts
on various subjects — drawn from conversations and
discussions, as well as more formal talks, by Bob Avakian —
which we will be running in this newspaper over the next period
of time. It has been edited for publication and footnotes have
been added.


When we talk about the dangers posed by the Christian Fascists
and the configuration in ruling structures of U.S. society now,
some people say, "Are you people just trying to scare people into
scurrying to your banner?" Well, no. This is very real. And one
of the things that was very important in the discussion that
followed the talk I gave on the dictatorship of the proletariat
("
Dictatorship and Democracy, and the Socialist Transition to
Communism"), was the question about whether there's "a
perfect fit" between this Christian Fascist program and the
interests and needs of the ruling class, at this time at least.
(This discussion
was published in the RW #1261, December 12, 2004.) And I
believe this was dealt with in a dialectical as well as a
materialist way there, in saying "No, there's not a perfect fit,
but that doesn't mean this program won't come to predominate." It
was pointed out that things have a momentum and dynamic of their
own; these Christian Fascist forces are being courted and even
manipulated by people like Bush adviser Karl Rove and others, but
that doesn't mean they don't have their own agenda, their own
interests (in a manner of speaking), their own outlook, and their
own objectives that they're fighting for. And the more that
they've been organized, the more this takes on a certain life of
its own.

As reflected in that New York Times Magazine article
by Ron Suskind ("Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W.
Bush"— New York Times Magazine, October 17, 2004), this
is being recognized even by significant sections of the ruling
class and their representatives and spokespeople, and certainly
we should not fail to recognize the seriousness of this — both
in terms of the dangers it poses, and also in terms of the
contradictions it reflects, including in particular the
intensifying contradictions within the ruling class. There is a
contradiction here, between "not a perfect fit" and the fact that
nonetheless there are driving forces behind this Christian
Fascist program, which are very powerful and very powerfully
connected. That's also a very acute contradiction that's playing
itself out and will continue in an even more intense way to play
itself out, if not in a straight line necessarily, over a period
of time—and perhaps not that long a period of time.

In a number of talks and writings (for example, in the
"Right-Wing Conspiracy" piece, Preaching from a Pulpit of
Bones, the "Pyramid of Power" article, and recent talks I
gave on religion1)—I have been
emphasizing that there is a force of Christian Fascists that is
very serious about implementing this program. Some of
the mass base that's being mobilized behind this may not even be
fully aware of the implications of this and what it would really
look like to implement this program fully, or they may not even
be fully aware that some of the driving forces within this
do have in mind to implement this full program. Now, one
of the things I have pointed out repeatedly, including in those
talks on religion (and this is also in the "Right-Wing
Conspiracy" piece), is that there is an acute contradiction
between an insistence upon upholding the Bible literally and
absolutely — insisting that every word is the divinely inspired
and delivered word of god and must be upheld as such, on the one
hand — and, on the other hand, things that broadly in society
today, particularly a "modern" society like the U.S., can be
accepted as decent, right, and just. This is a contradiction
that, by and large, most of the mass base of this Christian
Fascist movement is not even aware of. We have to hammer at those
contradictions, and this is all the more important because, to a
significant degree, the leaders of this Christian Fascist
movement do not want these people who make up their base to be
aware of this at this stage (or at least not fully
aware). But, in those talks on religion, I emphasized the point:
If you take the word of the Bible as literal and absolute, then
you must be in favor of executing homosexuals — not just
condemning them as sinners but executing them. You must be in
favor of executing women accused of witchcraft, you must be in
favor of insisting that people can't get out of even abusive
marriages, and in particular women can't. You must be in favor of
insisting that children who are rebellious against their parents
should be put to death. And on and on—the list of cruel outrages
that the Bible upholds, and insists on, is truly long and
horrendous.

*****

Now, if you look around, you will see that —for example, in
relation to the whole Matthew Shepard outrage— there were these
people from Kansas (or wherever they are), these preachers and
their followers, who showed up and denounced Shepard as a "fag"
and said he was condemned to hell, showing absolutely no sympathy
nor mercy. And if you read David Brock's book, The Republican
Noise Machine, particularly Chapter 7, "Ministers of
Propaganda," he quotes a lot of these people, these Christian
Fascist ideologues, saying that a lot of these outrageous things
that are in the Bible should be done. It is somewhat
similar to what's described by Claudia Koonz in The Nazi
Conscience, where she discusses how Hitler was rather
cautious, rather circumspect, even after consolidating power, in
terms of toning down his overtly anti-Semitic tirades for a
while—while at the same time the mass base, the
stormtroopers, were running wild with that stuff. And we saw
where that all ended up. Perhaps in 1933 or '34 Hitler did not
intend to carry out the "final solution," the mass genocide of
the Jews, at least in the way and on the scale it was carried
out, but that's where the logic led. It might not have led there
if things had gone a different way with the war, and so on, but
that's where the logic led under the circumstances that actually
evolved. I pointed out, for example, in "Right-Wing Conspiracy,"
that there is a genocidal element in this whole Christian Fascist
program—a genocidal program that would be directed toward many
people in inner cities and others whom people like the prominent
Christian Fascist Pat Robertson regard as putting the stain of
sin onto the land. I quoted Pat Robertson on this and then drew
out the logical implications of what he was saying. And I made
the point in the talks on religion, and also in the talk
"Elections, Democracy and Dictatorship, Resistance and
Revolution,"2 about why it is that
the Bible belt is also the lynching belt. I used that as
a metaphor to speak to why it is that you can't uphold
traditional morality in this society, with its whole history, and
not uphold the most virulent and grotesque kind of white
supremacy and repression of Black people and other oppressed
nationalities.

Look at Pat Robertson's writings. And who is Pat Robertson?
Just some lunatic? Is he a Jeremiah somewhere ranting in the
wilderness? No, he's a prominent figure in the ruling structures
of this society. Look at the things that are quoted from him in
"Right-Wing Conspiracy." Not only his lunatic claims about his
personal experience and trauma of undergoing a demonic attack one
morning in a hotel near Seattle, Washington, but his statement
that it may well be the case that Satan is directly in charge of
major cities in the U.S.—and that things like Ouija boards and
New Ageism provide openings for the devil to enter. And this is
of a piece with his lunacy in general, which is not only
unscientific but anti -scientific—including his attacks
on the scientifically established fact of evolution. (See, for
example, Robertson's book Answers to 200 of Life's Most
Probing Questions .) I remember reading a book by a woman
who got out of this kind of fundamentalism (I mentioned this in
the conversation with Bill Martin3—the book is This Dark World, by
Carolyn S. Briggs): She talks about how she used to go around and
get rid of statuettes and things in her house because she was
afraid that Satanic forces would enter through them and get to
her children. Well, that's one thing— she was a person with
barely a high school education, if that, at the time, and she was
just a foot soldier for the Christian Fascists, unconscious
largely in terms of the larger implications of this. But for
people like Pat Robertson it's very different. Pat Robertson made
this chilling statement— that when people get sick of all this
decadence and the rest, we will take over.

*****

These people are deadly serious, and there doesn't have to be
a "perfect fit." If things go a certain way and there's no other
force in the ruling class with both the coherence and the power
to prevent it, this may become the ruling force in society. And
they have every intention of becoming that. They are not going to
go away. And, as has been pointed out, you can't keep making
promises to these forces, as the Republican Party does—you can't
keep making promises and then leave them unfulfilled, like "we're
going to get rid of Roe v. Wade, we're going to outlaw
abortion." There is a certain tension there that will rupture
beyond those bounds at a certain point. We have seen further
indications of this in things like the campaign to hound
Republican Senator Arlen Specter after his comment that,
basically, Bush shouldn't nominate judges who are going to
abolish Roe v. Wade . We are just seeing the beginning
of things like that.

And there is a genocidal element in this Christian
Fascist program. You can see this if you read what Pat Robertson
says and follow the logic of it—once again it's the Richard
Pryor thing, "the logical conclusion of the logic." As I have
pointed out, Robertson doesn't just say that the death penalty
should be used for murder, for homicide, he insists it should be
used for crimes that bring a stain upon the society, and which
alienate it from god. Well, think about the implications of that
and how far-reaching that can be, especially when this is being
interpreted by theocratic rulers, people with the mindset and
worldview of Robertson.

And, although I have been urgently pointing to this phenomenon
for a number of years, at this point at least I am not the only
one who is commenting on this in these kind of terms. For
example, Mark Crispin Miller, a professor of media studies at New
York University, who has written a book entitled The
Bush Dyslexicon, refers to these people as
"Christo-fascists." And he makes a very interesting and important
observation: Don't expect to see people with swastikas
goose-stepping down the street saying "Heil Hitler"—that is not
how this is going to come to America, it's going to come in this
theocratic religious form; it's already here and it's already
powerful. So, I am not the only one recognizing this—and Crispin
Miller is a Jeffersonian Democrat (probably a "Big D" but
certainly a "small d" democrat), expressly so. He talks about how
these "Christo-fascists," as he calls them, want to go back not
just before the civil rights movement, not just before the civil
war and the abolition of slavery, but back before the
Enlightenment.

And the fact is that, as I have pointed out, the more you dig
into this, the more you'll see that the Enlightenment is a
watershed event in history for these fundamentalist fanatics. To
them this is a time when society turned away from God—even
before the Supreme Court decision, in the early 1960s,
eliminating prayer in public schools in the U.S.— going back
several centuries, the time of the Enlightenment is when society
began to go away from God and towards hell, in these people's
view. So, this is a very serious thing, with very serious
implications, including this potentially genocidal element to it.
And there doesn't have to be a "perfect fit" for this to become
the ruling and dominating and operative force and form of
bourgeois dictatorship in this country—in this period.

*****

The fact is that the Christian Fascists are not an ephemeral
phenomenon—they are not something that is just going to be
around for a little while—a flash in the pan that is going to go
away. Nor is this something that's turned off and on like a
spigot by people like Karl Rove and other political operatives in
the ruling class. This is a force which has been developed, and
cohered, and led, and ideologically indoctrinated and trained,
and honed over decades; yes, by political and ideological
operatives, but some of whom actually themselves believe in this
whole vision and these objectives. Had that not
happened, a lot of these forces would have been more dispersed,
they wouldn't have lived as much in a self-contained world, and
they wouldn't have had the same impact they have had and are
having— being politically organized and ideologically
conditioned, and oriented, and primed in a certain way. But that
is what has happened, and that does take on a life and a momentum
of its own. It's not something anybody can just turn off at this
point. In Germany, after he consolidated power, Hitler
slaughtered the SA stormtroopers at a certain point, because they
were getting in his way. That's what the Nazi leadership had to
do, to get rid of that particular force at that time, after
Hitler had consolidated power; but it would be a whole other
matter to do something like that to these Christian Fascist
forces. Plus, I don't know who would have the interests to do
that, and the inclinations to do that, within the U.S. ruling
class.

So, again, it is very important to understand that these
Christian Fascists cannot and will not let up. They will not go
away, they will not recede into the background, they will not
leave science alone, they will not leave the arts alone, they
will not leave education alone, they will not leave social
relations alone, they will not leave the culture, broadly
speaking, alone. They will not leave daily life and work alone.
There was another article recently in the New York Times
Magazine about these "faith based work places."4 These reactionary Christian
fundamentalists are creating, on the one hand, their own
infrastructure and self-contained universe where you watch Fox
News, and religious channels, and you get "the word," about the
world as well as about religion, from the Pat Robertson 700 Club
or whatever, and you listen to evangelists on the radio and watch
them on the TV—and this fundamentalist shit is on 24 hours a
day, all day every day, with massive productive forces and
sophisticated technology devoted to it. And, frighteningly, but
it's the reality we face, there are massive turnouts of people at
these fundamentalist church services, even sometimes
multi-national crowds. They cannot and they will not let up. Mark
Crispin Miller made this comment, that if you watch only Fox News
and live in this whole world I've been describing, you have about
as much sense of reality as people living in the ninth century.
Now, again that's exaggeration, it's hyperbole (and he would
likely acknowledge that), but there's some reality to that. There
have been surveys and studies that show that these people—not
just confined to the Christian Fascists, but more broadly people
who regularly watch Fox News—are qualitatively more misinformed
about basic issues than other people in U.S. society, even more
misinformed than those who watch CNN, for example. I think a
majority (or near majority) of those who regularly watch things
like Fox News still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass
destruction, that there was a tie between Iraq and al-Qaida—an
operative ongoing link and functioning relationship—and a large
number of these people believe that Iraq had something to do with
September 11th.

But that's just one manifestation, it's much bigger than that,
in terms of not only information and politics but worldview. For
example, our Party's national spokesperson Carl Dix talked about
how, at a forum on the elections he spoke at, in Harlem, somebody
actually raised: "We've got a real problem here, these people
can't be swayed or persuaded, they don't listen to reason, they
don't acknowledge reason." This is one of the things even the
New York Times is bringing out: It doesn't matter if
Bush lied, because Bush is on a mission from God (not in the
humorous, lighthearted way of the "Blues Brothers" movie). Bush
is there—like Jerry Boykin, a general who's still being promoted
in the U.S. military, said—Bush is there because God wanted him
there, even though in 2000 he didn't win the popular vote. It's
not because of very earthly machinations, but because God wanted
him there. So what difference does it make about facts and lies
and so on, if this is what's behind Bush. God's will and purpose
is greater than any fact, or any lie.

*****

So these people cannot and will not let up. And there are two
different universes here that people are recognizing—and we'd
better recognize it. This is not the total configuration of
ruling class forces and ruling class splits—even the Republican
Party has many different forces within it, and there are
contradictions within this, including contradictions between the
Christian Fascists and some other forces within the Republican
Party. And, of course, in the society more broadly, there is a
much more complex configuration—social configuration and class
configuration—and different political and ideological, and
social, and cultural trends of many different kinds. But the role
and importance of the Christian Fascists— within the Republican
Party, where they play a major and in many ways dominant role,
and within society more generally, where their influence is very
significant and is now growing—this is a major feature of the
alignment of the ruling class, and of the character of the
society.

There are, in a very real sense, two different
universes, two different worldviews and visions of how the world
is and ought to be, that are in fundamental and ultimately
antagonistic conflict with each other within U.S. society. Newt
Gingrich is essentially right in saying that these cannot
continue to co-exist without one side or the other finally and
decisively winning out and defeating the other.5 But right now it is a fact that the
alignment, the polarization that presently exists—the way in
which the two sides are taking shape politically and
ideologically—is not a good thing. It is not a good thing for
two crucial reasons: 1) The opposition to the Christian Fascists,
and to the reactionary juggernaut in which they are a decisive
force, is still characterized and dominated far too much by
outlooks and programs which, in and of themselves, cannot mount
the necessary opposition because, despite very real and profound
differences, they still see things within and operate within the
confines of the same system which has given rise to the Christian
Fascists and to their becoming a major force within the ruling
class as well as the broader society; and 2) the forces in
society which represent, at least in potential, a real,
revolutionary alternative, are by and large not yet mobilized and
organized around a revolutionary worldview and program. Left to
its current trajectory and momentum, this can only lead to very
bad results.

But, again, that is where we come in. The challenge we have to
take up is to apply the world outlook and methodology of
communism, in a scientific and creative way, to correctly and
deeply analyze this reality, in all its complexity, and to act to
change it—to bring about a radical
repolarization in society in a way that offers the
prospect and the hope of the real, the revolutionary way out and
way forward for society and humanity.



NOTES:

1. See
"The Truth
About Right-Wing Conspiracy...And Why Clinton and the Democrats
Are No Answer" (RW #1255, October 17, 2004); Preaching
from a Pulpit of Bones: We Need Morality But Not
Traditional Morality (Chicago: Banner Press, 1999);
"Elections, Resistance, and
Revolution: The Pyramid of Power And the Struggle to Turn This
Whole Thing Upside Down" (RW #1237, April 25, 2004);
"Christianity and
Society—The Old Testament and the New Testament, Resistance
and Revolution" and "God Doesn't Exist — And We Need
Liberation Without Gods" (audio recordings available at
bobavakian.net).

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2. Audio
files of the three talks referred to here are available on the
web at bobavakian.net.

[Return to article]

3. Bob
Avakian and Bill Martin, Marxism and the Call of the
Future: Conversations on Ethics, History, and Politics
(Chicago: Open Court, 2005).

[Return to article]

4. "With
God at Our Desks," The New York Times Magazine,
Sunday, October 31, 2004.

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5. This
point is discussed in another excerpt from this series,
"The
Coming Civil War and Repolarization for Revolution in the
Present Era" ( RW #1274, April 10, 2005).

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